Our sheriffs department took delivery of this today

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
08/21/2014 at 22:20 • Filed to: None

What horrible timing. Cue the shitshow from all sides.

Also, please limit the political ranting in the comments below.

DISCUSSION (65)

E30Joe drives a Subaru > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:21

You know... Just in case there is a militant overthrow or something.

thedevilinside > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:22

Was this one of the ones free to government bodies?

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:24

Meanwhile, Ottawa has some undercover Smarts.

Sam > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:25

It's overkill for police work, but I assume it'll be used for major drug busts and stuff. Where people are actually armed with automatic weaponry and such.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:26

Something something Ferguson something something militarization of police something something.

Don't care, that's awesome looking.

Milky > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:26

Not classy enough for a town you live in, needs at least a hood ornament.

Also needs less armor but thats a different conversation ….

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:28

Cheap and protection. i like

EL_ULY > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:29

yeah, take note 11 year olds! You cannot escape!

whoarder is tellurium > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:29

Just dont roll it over and enjoy paying for the maintenance - Courtesy of the US Gov.

STAGGERED-6 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:29

You tell those boys to be careful now, you'll go blind if you're caught MFAPing too much.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:33

For fucks sake, doesn't every police department in towns slightly larger than an unincorporated town have some sort of APC? I remember my home county having one at least 10-15 years ago. In the event of a shoot out, I would want to have my officers protected, and that's what these are for. They aren't tanks, they have no weapons.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:38

Having grown up in a country where the police drove these, it didn't work out so well for the majority of the local populace.

Kinja'd!!!

SAP (South African Police) Casspir.

STAGGERED-6 > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
08/21/2014 at 22:41

Sure they've used them, except one weights 16K and the MRAP weights 32K. One can withstand roadside bombs typically wired to artillery shells and the other is good against small arms fire. I'm flattered that the boys in blue want to play with our toys. Carry on I guess, whatever makes you sleep better at night. Good luck fixing that fucker when it breaks though, bet they didn't consider that.

Viggen > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:44

A Caiman? Really? Better not roll it.

thebigbossyboss > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:45

Well that's dumb. Again...there is NO need for this crap... The US already has an army, and it can use it in times of great civil unrest. The local college kids getting drunk is not a great time of civil unrest.

MountainCommand > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:51

They should deck one out in a DARE livery. That should scare the kids away from narcotics.

samssun > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 22:51

Army can't be deployed domestically (Posse Comitatus), just National Guard or local militias. Whether that's actually any obstacle for the omnipotent government crowd is another story...

thebigbossyboss > samssun
08/21/2014 at 22:55

What do you mean "omnipotent government crowd"?

Also did not know the US army cannot be deployed domestically our army can and has been.

The latest time it was deployed as an army domestically (ie not disaster relief) was when martial law was declared in 1970 here in Canada.

ranwhenparked > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:56

My county SWAT team, well, I don't live there anymore, but my home county, just took delivery of an MRAP

Problem is, it isn't titled yet, so they couldn't even use it in the hostage situation they just had a few weeks ago. They do have an older armored car though, which I think is going to be replaced once the new one is on the road.

Some crazy guy barricaded himself in his apartment and was threatening to set the building on fire. He shot up the first two police cars that responded and SWAT had to use the armored truck to evacuate the officers that were pinned down.

The MRAP has lot of features (blast-proof hull, etc) that police don't need, but police do need to have at least some armored vehicles for situations like that. A new armored truck built specifically for police use is several hundred thousand dollars, while a used MRAP is free and can do all the same things the purpose-built ones can, so you can see how it becomes an easy decision for law enforcement agencies to make, even if the vehicle looks too "scary".

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > STAGGERED-6
08/21/2014 at 22:56

It's just surplus from the war.

ly2v8-Brian > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:58

Better that then the alternative.

Alec Hall > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 22:58

But it's just surplus?

samssun > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 23:01

A large number of people view local rule, our Constitutional protections, and pretty much any limitations on government as an obstacle to things they'd like to mandate at a national level. We've lost a lot of checks on centralized power.

blacktruck18 > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 23:04

Exactly what jaguar7117 said. No branch of the military can be used against citizens of the USA. The military can be called up for National Disaster response to help with whatever needs to be done though. One of the things that as always annoyed me about the "The Army will kill us all," types is the thought process that leads them to think Soldiers are robots who would indiscriminately kill Americans because they are ordered to. I do not know a single Soldier would just run around killing Americans because they were ordered to. Any order that is illegal or immoral does not have to be followed and I would hope all Service Members are smart enough to distinguish that an order to kill Americans is just that.

STAGGERED-6 > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
08/21/2014 at 23:05

Me too haha. Unfortunately I don't think they have any idea how much these beasts are gonna cost them over the long haul. There's a saying, the right tool for the right job. I don't think rolling that heavy makes sense for these guys, looks cool as shit rumbling down the block I'll give them that. My cousin joined the dark side (contractor) after getting out, he trains joe to fix these bastards and his checks would make the Vatican cry with envy. It's just your taxes mate, no bigee. I'm more a fan of these

Slainte friend

thebigbossyboss > samssun
08/21/2014 at 23:06

Oh than I agree with that. In my (always esteemed and right opinion) the violation of freedoms in Murica that has been going on lately is really quite concerning.

America's beacon of hope, prosperity and freedom has shone bright for us, but these days your guys beacon is pretty dim. There's a lot of stuff going on down there, that I would rather not go on up here.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > thedevilinside
08/21/2014 at 23:06

It was indeed.

ttyymmnn > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 23:06

The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law ( 18 U.S.C. § 1385 , original at 20 Stat. 152 ) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 ) was to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the state laws .

The Act, as modified in 1981, refers to the Armed Forces of the United States . It does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard , which operates under the Department of Homeland Security , is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission. ( Wikipedia )

"Omnipotent government crowd" meaning that the government is all-powerful and can do as it pleases, regardless of the laws or Constitution. I don't think it's quite that bad yet, but it's not quite as it should be. Since 9/11, governmental power in the name of national security has been getting more and more invasive.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB
08/21/2014 at 23:08

*snickers* What was wrong with segways?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Sam
08/21/2014 at 23:09

I assume the same. Plus, it was more or less free.

thebigbossyboss > blacktruck18
08/21/2014 at 23:09

I am certainly not an army will kill us all type. I am pretty far from that. I just don't see the need for police APC's/ They aren't the military and nor should they be killing unarmed or even armed civilians unless they themselves are about to be killed.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
08/21/2014 at 23:10

It's here to kick ass and take names. In a constitutional, non-mashall law type of way, of course.

Seriously though, what a beast.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 23:10

Because you can't do a car chase in Canada a segway! Also, the idea of an undercover Smart is hilarious when you think about it.

thebigbossyboss > ttyymmnn
08/21/2014 at 23:11

"Since 9/11, governmental power in the name of national security has been getting more and more invasive." Yeah. Agree. I didn't know about that act. I certainly don't advocate the US using it's army against it's own citizens. My comment wasn't very clear.

blacktruck18 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 23:11

It's a Caiman they will flip it. If the police ever get to worked up and try to kill everyone with it just aim for the hood it's not armored once you take out the engine it's a really nice paper weight.

Or just drive straight at it if they swerve it will flip, if it runs over your car it will flip. If you look at it for too long it will flip, basically it will flip. Once it is done flipping it will flip again.

Or if you are the smart ass type just put locks on the door handles. They will have to cut the locks off, that should at least slow them down.

Actually send me a money order for $200 and I will tell you how to steal it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Milky
08/21/2014 at 23:12

I'm flattered.

Don't worry though, we also have this:

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 23:12

Martial, learned it was that by someone getting chewed out on the FP for calling it Marshall.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
08/21/2014 at 23:13

It's better than cheap or protection.

ttyymmnn > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 23:13

I didn't get that from your comment at all. I was trying to explain some people's believes without getting anybody angry at me. Why was martial law declared in 1970? I thought you people were too polite for that sort of thing.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > whoarder is tellurium
08/21/2014 at 23:14

This thing would be damn hard to flip from inside or out.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > STAGGERED-6
08/21/2014 at 23:15

Can I recommend this a second time?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
08/21/2014 at 23:16

I completely agree. I just think it was bad timing. Trivial, of course.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
08/21/2014 at 23:17

Having grown up in a country where the police have things like this (here), I'm not terribly worried.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Viggen
08/21/2014 at 23:17

Everyone keeps saying that.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > STAGGERED-6
08/21/2014 at 23:18

I've kinda come to accept that the government is terrible with money. I don't even complain about most stuff, because I know there is way worse. Just one of the many side effects of being an Econ major.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 23:19

They don't use it for drunk riots after football games. They have a little SWAT van for that. They use it for things like major drug busts and gang violence (we have a disproportionally high gang rate).

Also, it was (nearly) free.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > MountainCommand
08/21/2014 at 23:20

We have got a DARE H3. That just scares them away from being a drug-using cop.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > ranwhenparked
08/21/2014 at 23:21

I agree 100%

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Alec Hall
08/21/2014 at 23:22

'Tis indeed.

STAGGERED-6 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 23:22

Yesss you may, my hairy palms are sweating with anticipation. FYI my palms are only hairy from MFAPing too much as a young infantryman. I didn't go blind though, the blind thing is all bullshit.... I hope.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB
08/21/2014 at 23:23

You were right the first time. You can't do a car chase in Canada:

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
08/21/2014 at 23:24

Close enough for...well, you know.

thebigbossyboss > ttyymmnn
08/21/2014 at 23:25

It was only declared in Quebec. It was declared because of the campaign of bombing that the Front de Liberation Du Quebec (FLQ) had been carrying out since 1963 morphed into a campaign of kidnapping government officials. In 1969 for example the bombing of the Montreal Stock Exchange injured 27 people, although most of the 95 bombs placed over those 7 years were just mailbox pipe bombs.

In October 1970 the FLQ kidnapped the British Trade Commissioner. They then kidnapped a Minister from the government of Quebec a few days later.

In response to this the Quebec government requested the army aid it in carrying out it's civil duties and thus the "war measures act" was brought into play and remained until Jan 5 1971. During this time the Minister from Quebec was executed by his kidnappers. His kidnappers were eventually caught.

The other kidnappers who had James Cross negotiated that in exchange for James Cross the trade commissioner, they be given safe passage to Cuba although some (apparently) eventually returned to Canada and faced reduced sentences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_C…

blacktruck18 > thebigbossyboss
08/21/2014 at 23:27

I am kind of torn as to whether or not police need these. I am all about the police being safe but, I definitely trust a dumbass 19yo kid from shithole, TX driving on of these over a cop with a god complex driving one.

AudreFuckingLorde > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/21/2014 at 23:28

The county I live in bought one a few months ago. I live in a county where there are as many dairy cows as people. Apparently they need it to run over the 8 meth labs in operation. Christ.

STAGGERED-6 > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
08/21/2014 at 23:30

I don't envy those Econ majors who try to analyze the DOD's budget. The Navy has the littoral combat ship=turd, Air Force has the F35=turd, Army has the never ending "what uniform makes me look the sexiest trials"=turd, Marines= In an abusive relationship with the Navy's bad decisions/turd. DOD equipment other than web gear should make the LEO run to the hills with fear.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > CB
08/21/2014 at 23:41

after all these years living in Ottawa, I did not know that!

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > STAGGERED-6
08/21/2014 at 23:50

It's honestly all very depressing. I'm all for small government. A dollar is much more beneficial in the hands of the public. And the structure for military spending is just bat shit insane. Let's spend money we don't need to so we can get the same amount next year. Also, I live in Baltimore and there are about 20-30 cruisers that were never used, yet were fully stocked, then extended 20ft @ $1mil a foot to accommodate some dingy application that was never actually implemented. Yah, a cool couple billion sitting in the harbor rusting away for no good reason. And this example is nothing in comparison to the big picture. And I have no idea why everyone has a hard on for the F-35. Yet the F-22 is far superior with far less orders. Not that I'm implying we need thousands of fighters in todays society.

STAGGERED-6 > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
08/22/2014 at 00:05

The boys on the hill got it all figured out, that's why the cruisers are sitting and the f35 will have an astronomical unit cost when it's all said and done. The f22 is all fine and good now that it's not lawn darting it's pilots into the side of Alaskan mountains, or maybe it's still killin'em idk. Perfect example, army wants a new service trifle for years now but our marksman deploy with enhanced m14s with chassis made by Troy and Ellis, a rifle with roots back to ww2 Korea and Nam. I'm intimately familiar with DOD waste but I'd really hate to see the attitude trickle down to law enforcement. My buddy is LEO in Phx but if I catch him acting like anything he's not (military) I'll provide a free wall to wall counseling session. Rich guys waste money man, it's what they do.

Viggen > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/22/2014 at 08:50

There's a reason we do roll over training for with MRAPs before going down range. Granted Maxxpros are the most prone to rollovers since they're a million feet tall and have eleven million tons of weight on the roof.

Milky > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
08/22/2014 at 08:56

Ahh yes, that just ooooozes class.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > STAGGERED-6
08/22/2014 at 09:16

One closing thought: the Bradley

STAGGERED-6 > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
08/22/2014 at 09:24

Pretty funny how I remember laughing and shaking my head after watching Pentagon Wars, flash forward a few years riding around in the back of the same vehicle making jokes with the guys about the sheep scene.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > STAGGERED-6
08/22/2014 at 10:49

That is quite the story. I remember watching that movie as a kid, thinking it was funny. I watched it recently and still found it funny, but also more informing. That sheep bit was great.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Milky
08/22/2014 at 11:31

It oozes something, certainly.